[Resolved]  Cobra Group Of International — Cheater & flirt

List of known local Cobra Group subsidiaries

1. Dreamworks Acquisition
2. JAG Group
3. Keneve Group of Companies
4. Regal Group of Companies
5. Appco S/B (Father company)
6. ESP S/B
7. Pro Enterprise (SS15 Subang Jaya)
8. Rich Marketing Group (at least this one is honest enough to put the word "marketing" lol)

Their tactics & The Truth

** Salary of RM1800-RM3000 during training and more after 6-8 months project. You won't get paid any basic salary

** Usually under the title of "Management Trainee" or "Executive Development Program". Your title is SALES PERSONNEL

** These are the same lines all Cobra Group companies use:

-- "Fresh graduates who are willing to be coached from A to Z of a company operation and hardworking- please try your luck!" Coached - Reading from same piece of paper, memorize it and tell strangers about it

-- "Promotion to Managerial positions with Regional and Overseas Career Expansion". Something like Amway's incentive tours to overseas IF you con enough people

-- "The person who think that they possess all the skills required to be a successful future manager". When they expand, they chuck you there to further con people and you will have no time for your personal life AT ALL

-- "No min working experience is required (Special on-the-job training will be provided)". They train you to talk to strangers and be beggars

** On your first day of your you will be briefed on company structure. Any AMWAY members will know this is the exact promotion structure Amway uses the moment they see it. Sales projection, get 3 leaders you become Team Leader blablabla.

** On your second day, just quit the job.

** You'll get a piece of paper on dialogues and you are expected to preach to strangers. I don't think we graduated to be beggars.

The "new" advertisement:

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Interview

** First interview will be in group interview (suspicious?)

** Second interview you will follow your "evaluator" to the field, usually in front of banks and see what they do. They will tell you "This is to test how much do you want the job" and then ask you to do the same thing: Begging & Bugging

** Third interview will be on the same day of the 2nd. You will be asked to go back by yourself to the company. WTF right?


What they slipped

** One guy used the word "downline" and "upline"

** The boss comes into the office EARLIER than everyone and leave LATER than everyone, even his secretary. Somemore he dare to use the word "TIME FREEDOM" and then say he sleep at 10.30PM.

** The structure chart. Some people who never join Amway will not see it coming because the only direct sales company to use it is Amway, and Cobra Group is applying the same thing.

** No basic pay. Tell me, which PROFESSIONAL job (as they claim) doesn't pay their employees? Like that I also wanna be the boss lar.

If you have more info of this company or companies under Cobra Group / DS-Max, add it here as they seem to be running rampant all over Jobstreet, conning degree holders from Law to Engineering fresh grads. Sadly, these people think they are doing a great job, where in fact they are earning money and being brainwashed day in day out.

From Wikipedia (Credits: Polaris)

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Cobra slash DS MAX is in wikipedia, their infamous ways are well known all over the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DS-MAX

One of the most common complaints about DS-Max affiliated companies is in their recruiting and advertising practices. Often the position is advertised as an "entry level management position", and claims to operate in any number of glamorous, competitive, high profile, industries ranging from pro sports and entertainment to 4 star restaurants and world travel, when in reality the position is that of a door-to-door salesperson who peddles pizza coupons, discount baseball tickets, 5 dollar umbrellas, designer knock-off hand bags, and travel alarm clocks, none of which the applicant will actually discover until they are out "in the field" with a distributor on their "second interview".

A common interviewing formula used by the independent sales offices consists of:

1. A very short first round interview conducted in the office of the manager. Typically in this interview the manager will briefly outline the structure of the business to the potential new distributor. A typical DS-Max manager will interview anywhere from 10 to 30 people a day so this first interview is usually short on detail and any prolonged question and answer sessions are avoided if possible.

2. A full day "second interview" in the sales field where the potential distributor shadows a current distributor while they attempt to sell their products or services door-to-door. This full day interview is an attempt to show the potential distributor how a typical day in the field works. This full day interview, like the first interview is purposefully vague on details and most questions are not answered fully or more difficult questions get passed on to the manager/owner to handle during the final interview. This is known within DS-MAX circles as the "Day of Observation" or the "Day of O".

3. A "final interview" takes place in the manager's office when the potential distributor returns after a full day in the field. If the applicant has any problems or objections, the manager may attempt to overturn them. If the potential distributor needs some clarification in order to understand the "big picture" of this business opportunity the manager will attempt to explain the business beyond just selling products door-to-door. The goal of every manager is to encourage the interviewee to start full time the very next day.

The name DS-Max is often used to refer to the whole distribution system that includes DS-Max USA Inc., its affiliated suppliers and independent offices. Each affiliated sales office is an independent and incorporated business.

This legal separation between the DS-Max supplying organizations and each individual office insulates DS-Max from any legal or financial liability should something happen within an individual office.

Because all sales offices are independently owned and operated each individual distributor and manager/owner reaps the rewards of and is both financially and legally responsible for his own business. The majority of all distributors work as independent contractors and thus are not paid a salary, receive no health benefits and are responsible for paying their own taxes.

The DS-Max system runs similarly to network marketing businesses but with several key differences:

1) Sales representatives (distributors) generally work full-time (often six days, 60 hours or more a week), relying on their sales for their primary source of income, rather than a slow transition from part-time to full-time.

2) The individual owner assumes the cost and advertises for new distributors and finds a mentor for them, rather than the distributor absorbing the cost of recruiting.

3) Distributors receive the products on consignment rather than paying for them up front and there is no fee for becoming a distributor.

The business only grows when new distributors are added. While DS-Max as a whole has grown quite large through the years, the vast majority of distributors and managers in affiliated distribution operations in the DS-Max system have not enjoyed success. In the 20 plus years of operation the Ds-max business model has generated some tremendous success for a small group of Vice-Presidents, or as they are referred to now, National Consultants, but the question of how many have found success in Ds-max compared to the number who have attempted to achieve success can only be answered by analyzing accurate, detailed records of these organizations and their affiliates. However the nature of their operations make it unlikely that such documentation exists.

This post has been edited by Acey: Sep 12 2006, 01:50 PM



Ido May 2 2006, 02:42 PM Show posts by this member only |Rating BETA (0+, 0-) | Post #2


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I being con before. DS-Max. Their lousy plan is you start as trainee -> Leader -> team leader -> assistant manager -> manager. From trainee to become leader, you need to hit weekly target. Then, as leader you can start con others to be your downlines. Once you have 5 downlines promote to team leader. As team leader, you will be entitle to suck some commision from your downlines (5%) of the daily total sales.

Assistant manager is 10%. What really make money is when you become manager. DS-max is selling many thing but whatever they are selling, you earn RM 2-3 each item they sell. Mostly the manager earn RM 1000 ++ daily

FYI, manager really earn that much. Believe it. That why they are growing. The main issue is how you can become the manager. You need at least 13 - 15 downlines. Now that the hardest part. My ex uplines have been working for more than 5 years. He has been promoted as Manager before but de promoted when your men leave the team. So from there, he keep on struggling until today. Still same not making money.

The system seem great but no guarantee. People don't like walking around selling thing. So is hard to get people. My advise is you can treat it as temporary job while hunting others. My experiencee in the company was great. We penetrate a high security building e.g military kem, Maybank and many more. Chase up by the security. Sometimes the inside people may help you also. Is a fun job but making money.

That my experience for DS-max.



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hehhe... what an experience in life... if you would like to take is as once in a lifetime experience also can...

Chase up by the security <---- this will sharpen your skill in sales and to be alert on outcome of your action. It is hard to penetrate military camp... if you could... you might have talent in sales..

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QUOTE(Ido @ May 2 2006, 02:42 PM)
I being con before. DS-Max. Their lousy plan is you start as trainee -> Leader -> team leader -> assistant manager -> manager. From trainee to become leader, you need to hit weekly target. Then, as leader you can start con others to be your downlines. Once you have 5 downlines promote to team leader. As team leader, you will be entitle to suck some commision from your downlines (5%) of the daily total sales.

Assistant manager is 10%. What really make money is when you become manager. DS-max is selling many thing but whatever they are selling, you earn RM 2-3 each item they sell. Mostly the manager earn RM 1000 ++ daily

FYI, manager really earn that much. Believe it. That why they are growing. The main issue is how you can become the manager. You need at least 13 - 15 downlines. Now that the hardest part. My ex uplines have been working for more than 5 years. He has been promoted as Manager before but de promoted when your men leave the team. So from there, he keep on struggling until today. Still same not making money.

The system seem great but no guarantee. People don't like walking around selling thing. So is hard to get people. My advise is you can treat it as temporary job while hunting others. My experiencee in the company was great. We penetrate a high security building e.g military kem, Maybank and many more. Chase up by the security. Sometimes the inside people may help you also. Is a fun job but making money.

That my experience for DS-max.






Please do not upsell DS-Max here, this is exactly how they psycho people into these jobs. For example, FYI this and that manager really made 1k daily etc and etc, but that is just him, you have to be really good to be like that... blah blah blah,

Please contribute to the society and economy by giving value not preaching get rich schemes.
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i worked under cobra group.
let me tell u sumthng...
each n evry thng said by the guy who started this blog is more den true...
they wl take u out from door to door
n insit u to beg n bug...
they wl show u dream...but at the end of day u have to lie, beg n bug...
rest is up2 u...i[censored] think u want to do "sales" n go from door to door n get booted out sumtimes even by a people who dnt earn money as ur parents spent aftr ur education then its up2 u...choice is urs...
best of luck!!!
thank u friend u all ve saved my life i also recived mail from ace group where they were saying the profile z management trainee slalary range from 15000k to 25000k but i search about ace on net and came accross this and i want to add that cobra ki maa ki choot,
inki maa bahano ko patel nagar ke chourahe pe nanga karke cry foundation ke liye chanda ekhtha karewao
enkki bahena ko chodoon
I worked twice for cobra group once for 2 weeks the other for 2 days, I didnt know because they seem too have dozens of sub companies with different names. once it was advertised as an in-office position but was actually been chased off private properties by men with big spades position... or so it seemed.

They are liers and cheats and at best, you will make half an average salary a week and work twice as much for it. oh and i think all the pro cobra .. comments on this site must be their spies.. why would someone make a blog about how bad a company was if it really wasnt so bad... look at all the pages of comments below.

dont do it... wash cars do anything.. washing dishes is better
hi guyz

u guyz have saved ma tym, energy.i hv got d same mail from dem.envision organisation at west patel nagar delhi is d place where i hv 2 report 2mrw.i hv read all d comments nd got 2 know dat dis is a fake firm.thanks a lot 4 saving me frm dis whole scheme.luv u guyz.nd thnxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx a ton...may god bless u all.
I received this mail and thanks God I read these comments. I am not going for interview at all now!!
and I am amazed they have called me at such a short notice. Interview is tomorrow and they sent me an email today!! Highly unprofessional!
[protected]--------
Hi,
Congratulations!!!

Your CV has been short listed for our company and we are conducting the initial round of interview with our Business Head on MONDAY (08/02/2010) between 10:00am-10:30am.

So, you have to walk in at the following address :
Phoenix Organization
1/ 5, 3rd Floor, West Patel Nagar,
( Opp. to metro pillar # 206 )
New Delhi- 110008

( You need to carry the print out of this e-mail along with your one passport size photograph and a copy of your resume.)
The followings are the details :
FOR APPOINTMENT:
Call Timings : Between 11am to 6pm
Contact Person:Ms SIMRAN
LANDLINE :-[protected]
[protected]

Company Name: PHOENIX
Company Profile:
PHOENIX IS ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING MARKETING ORAGANIZATIONS IN INDIA. WE ARE CONTRACTED TO THE COBRA GROUP PLC A MNC, FROM AUSTRALIA WITH ITS HEAD QUARTERS IN U.K (LONDON).
THE COBRA GROUP IS THE MOST GLOBALLY RECOGNIZED COMPANY FOR MARKETING, ADVERTISING AND PROMOTIONS AND HAS OFFICES IN OVER 27 COUNTRIES. THE INDIAN OPERATIONS STARTED IN 1998 IN MUMBAI.
THE PHOENIX ORGANIZATION IS INVOLVED IN PROVIDING MARKETING SOLUTIONS AND STRATEGIES TO THE CLIENT AND PROMOTE THEIR PRODUCTS AND BRAND IMAGE TO INCREASE THEIR MARKET SHARE AND IMPROVE THEIR COMMUNICATION STRATEGIES AND GIVE THEM A COMPETITIVE EDGE OVER THEIR COMPETITORS. OUR REACH, OUR INNOVATIONS AND OUR SUCCESS ARE UNRIVALLED.
WE HAVE PIONEERED A COST EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT METHOD OF MARKETING SERVICES DIRECTLY TO PEOPLE AT WORKPLACES AND THEIR HOMES. OUR FORMULA WORKS, WHETHER IT IS A FINANCIAL SERVICE OR TELECOM PRODUCT, FMCG, SPORTS, ENERGY, OR CHARITY.
THE HEART OF PHOENIX ORGANIZATION'S SUCCESS STORY IS THE PULLING POWER OF THE ' FACE-TO-FACE COMMERCIAL WHICH COMBINES THE INFORMATION OF A SCRIPTED ADVERTISEMENT WITH THE REASSURANCE OF A WORD OF MOUTH RECOMMENDATION. WE CALL IT HUMAN COMMERCIAL.
JOB RESPONSIBILITIES:

SALES AND MARKETING: (DEALING WITH CORPORATE BUSINESSES, COMPANIES AND INSTITUTIONS ON BEHALF OF OUR CLIENT.
HUMAN RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT: TEAM TRAINING AND TEAM DEVELOPMENT (TRAINING AND DEVELOPING NEW CANDIDATES RECRUITED BY THE COMPANY).
CLIENT AND OFFICE MANAGEMENT: (MANAGING THE OFFICE INFRASTRUCTURE, MARKETING TEAMS AND CLIENT




KEY SKILLS:

WE REQUIRE AMBITIOUS PEOPLE WITH PROFESSIONAL IMAGE, GOOD ATTITUDE AND WITH MENTALITY TO GROW WITH THE COMPANY.
[censored]in company...ever seen...
no formalities...
lieing abt the salary...
making friendly relations nd trying to b very sweet so tht thy can build their team...
everything is lie...in this company...
even HRs ...thy r nt at all worth as thy call evry1...frm the mail...so tht thy can increase the amt of people cumin fr the interview...
[censored]in company...
nd MBA people i request u nt to fall on this...
as thy will waste ur time ...making u work on field...
as ur parents spend so mch amt to make u study...and have a good career in future...nd these [censored]in Co jst try to see our future down by making us beggars...and even thy r lying public fr charities...and seriously only 10% goes to the charity.actually...
so wat the use...
these r mother ...
thy dont hav respect...
nd 1 time thy gonna fall in trouble fr sure, ...
by foolin people all around...
i worked for a company called zino marketing direct.
it is a rip off.
72 hours a week.
fully comissioned based.
not good
was earning money but still a bump cause i had to wait for it.
zino u dnt knowww
for every 100 happy people there are 1000 unhappy
like how there are rich people and the poor people
when you google sharukh unhappy people blog that he is gay with relationship wt karan that doesnt stop him from being the best star till date
amitabh having affair with ash doent stop them from
ash being worth 3000 crores and amitabh being the best ever
why go far in the same consumer complaint forum search for Nokia . Microsoft, abn amro, american express, hsbc, unilever, proctor and gamble, ford, mitsubushi, suzuki, honda etc etc
and you will find somebody is not happy with them
so what do you expect them to do
You guessed it right they grow bigger and better ...
i am working with this company for the last 8 months and i absolutely love it ...
I am happy ...
hey guys i have received a interview call from providence chennai is that a part of cobra group pl help me out
Hi guys
Having some degrees with u what happenned u still searching for jobs rememer ur colleges who promised u hundred percent placement n now they blaming recession .. Y 45 deemed universities affilation got cancelled .. Y u guys don't talk bad about them .. They made fool out o[censored] took lakhs of rupees n u still nowhere ... U know y cox ur Indians n uill never use ur brains we love to do what millions doing .. Guys now realise it's not work which good or bad it's u who make tht work good or bad ..
Cheers guys m working with this company n m happy atleast I perform I get don't have to butter anybody for promotion... U talk whatever co still growin ppl still doing well ... In ur class also evrybody is not topper u know y not cox college is bad it's cox person doesn't study ..
Apni akal ladao dikhawo mai maat jao
big crap...
lets seee how mch it grows...
Co...
Hi, today I have given my interview by one of the s.b.u head, name of the sbu is -osh management. thanks friend..for your valuable comments. one thing is very unfotunate they posted their job in monster india, timesjob etc.We consider all these job portal as authentic..but unfortunately not .so pls dont fall under nirvana, osh management and others sbu of cobra group
hey guys am a mba graduate looking for bright future i received a call from a company says that there recruiting and trainnig for BDM nu.. the salary is 60k - 70 k... shall i go for this or is that the same company ur all talking about pl help me to sort it out????
By looking all this comment...now i am thinking off not to call them...
I am a crew leader at level 3 in the company I am all excited as very soon i am going to get in my 4th level, the Company is so transparent that every week we get a bulletin which shows the exact income of people at level 5 as well as the the performance of all the people doing great in the company
my earlier company where i worked i never knew where the company was going, forget my future,
today i am happy that i have an oppurtunity to decide my destiny I am absolutely loving it ...
I answered an ad a year back and my experience with the business has been outstanding before this inspite of being a MBA with 2 years exp i was paid peanuts with a top banking company and was used as a door mat by by seniors who would politically try to use me to meet their needs, fed up and at lost i came across an advt in the newspaper and today i am so happy of making a wise decision of sticking to this oppurtunity that more than money and status i have my self esteem i am looking forward to my promotion into Management in the next month and i will definitely achieve it.
I always read that hard work makes you lucky but then you need the right place and I am glad I have found it
when you work hard you realise the taste of sweat
I totally agree with asmit when you work hard and generate results you feel proud of your achievments, this oppurtunity gives one the chance to excerise his or her entire potential to the extremes i have been with this company for 4 months and i have understood that life is not a bed of roses because the leaders whom i look up to on day to day basis have reached to those positions because of their hard work and dedication, I salute their hard work and take this Oppurtunity to thank eveyonne who created this unique oppurtunity
the best lesson this business taught me was "Leadership starts from you " ...
when i joined the company i was not very sure as their profile was Management and my background was I.T i would have never dreamt of a position where i could actually manage people but today after the extensive training provided by the company i have overcome all the challenges of leading people my team boasts of 19 stong people my goals are to move to europe with the company where i did my M.S from london. the Company provides you with training in every field of management but again its upto an individual how he or she takes it .my journey has been challenging and this won't stop here i have my goals sey on U.K and i am going ...
I am here since past 2 months now and i feel all this is so very cool..I have almost reached the third step towards management..I know that even i was a bit taken aback by the thought that i would be paid only incentives but i gave it a shot and i am doing well..I knew nothing about sales or marketing and what the actual life on the field is..But i feel wonderful by the thought that i am my own boss..I set my goals, i make money..There is no bounding over me..
And i feel that by sacrificing few things now i can very well compensate on it in few months time as i start my own company and make good amount of money

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