[Resolved]  Cobra Group Of International — Cheater & flirt

List of known local Cobra Group subsidiaries

1. Dreamworks Acquisition
2. JAG Group
3. Keneve Group of Companies
4. Regal Group of Companies
5. Appco S/B (Father company)
6. ESP S/B
7. Pro Enterprise (SS15 Subang Jaya)
8. Rich Marketing Group (at least this one is honest enough to put the word "marketing" lol)

Their tactics & The Truth

** Salary of RM1800-RM3000 during training and more after 6-8 months project. You won't get paid any basic salary

** Usually under the title of "Management Trainee" or "Executive Development Program". Your title is SALES PERSONNEL

** These are the same lines all Cobra Group companies use:

-- "Fresh graduates who are willing to be coached from A to Z of a company operation and hardworking- please try your luck!" Coached - Reading from same piece of paper, memorize it and tell strangers about it

-- "Promotion to Managerial positions with Regional and Overseas Career Expansion". Something like Amway's incentive tours to overseas IF you con enough people

-- "The person who think that they possess all the skills required to be a successful future manager". When they expand, they chuck you there to further con people and you will have no time for your personal life AT ALL

-- "No min working experience is required (Special on-the-job training will be provided)". They train you to talk to strangers and be beggars

** On your first day of your you will be briefed on company structure. Any AMWAY members will know this is the exact promotion structure Amway uses the moment they see it. Sales projection, get 3 leaders you become Team Leader blablabla.

** On your second day, just quit the job.

** You'll get a piece of paper on dialogues and you are expected to preach to strangers. I don't think we graduated to be beggars.

The "new" advertisement:

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Interview

** First interview will be in group interview (suspicious?)

** Second interview you will follow your "evaluator" to the field, usually in front of banks and see what they do. They will tell you "This is to test how much do you want the job" and then ask you to do the same thing: Begging & Bugging

** Third interview will be on the same day of the 2nd. You will be asked to go back by yourself to the company. WTF right?


What they slipped

** One guy used the word "downline" and "upline"

** The boss comes into the office EARLIER than everyone and leave LATER than everyone, even his secretary. Somemore he dare to use the word "TIME FREEDOM" and then say he sleep at 10.30PM.

** The structure chart. Some people who never join Amway will not see it coming because the only direct sales company to use it is Amway, and Cobra Group is applying the same thing.

** No basic pay. Tell me, which PROFESSIONAL job (as they claim) doesn't pay their employees? Like that I also wanna be the boss lar.

If you have more info of this company or companies under Cobra Group / DS-Max, add it here as they seem to be running rampant all over Jobstreet, conning degree holders from Law to Engineering fresh grads. Sadly, these people think they are doing a great job, where in fact they are earning money and being brainwashed day in day out.

From Wikipedia (Credits: Polaris)

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Cobra slash DS MAX is in wikipedia, their infamous ways are well known all over the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DS-MAX

One of the most common complaints about DS-Max affiliated companies is in their recruiting and advertising practices. Often the position is advertised as an "entry level management position", and claims to operate in any number of glamorous, competitive, high profile, industries ranging from pro sports and entertainment to 4 star restaurants and world travel, when in reality the position is that of a door-to-door salesperson who peddles pizza coupons, discount baseball tickets, 5 dollar umbrellas, designer knock-off hand bags, and travel alarm clocks, none of which the applicant will actually discover until they are out "in the field" with a distributor on their "second interview".

A common interviewing formula used by the independent sales offices consists of:

1. A very short first round interview conducted in the office of the manager. Typically in this interview the manager will briefly outline the structure of the business to the potential new distributor. A typical DS-Max manager will interview anywhere from 10 to 30 people a day so this first interview is usually short on detail and any prolonged question and answer sessions are avoided if possible.

2. A full day "second interview" in the sales field where the potential distributor shadows a current distributor while they attempt to sell their products or services door-to-door. This full day interview is an attempt to show the potential distributor how a typical day in the field works. This full day interview, like the first interview is purposefully vague on details and most questions are not answered fully or more difficult questions get passed on to the manager/owner to handle during the final interview. This is known within DS-MAX circles as the "Day of Observation" or the "Day of O".

3. A "final interview" takes place in the manager's office when the potential distributor returns after a full day in the field. If the applicant has any problems or objections, the manager may attempt to overturn them. If the potential distributor needs some clarification in order to understand the "big picture" of this business opportunity the manager will attempt to explain the business beyond just selling products door-to-door. The goal of every manager is to encourage the interviewee to start full time the very next day.

The name DS-Max is often used to refer to the whole distribution system that includes DS-Max USA Inc., its affiliated suppliers and independent offices. Each affiliated sales office is an independent and incorporated business.

This legal separation between the DS-Max supplying organizations and each individual office insulates DS-Max from any legal or financial liability should something happen within an individual office.

Because all sales offices are independently owned and operated each individual distributor and manager/owner reaps the rewards of and is both financially and legally responsible for his own business. The majority of all distributors work as independent contractors and thus are not paid a salary, receive no health benefits and are responsible for paying their own taxes.

The DS-Max system runs similarly to network marketing businesses but with several key differences:

1) Sales representatives (distributors) generally work full-time (often six days, 60 hours or more a week), relying on their sales for their primary source of income, rather than a slow transition from part-time to full-time.

2) The individual owner assumes the cost and advertises for new distributors and finds a mentor for them, rather than the distributor absorbing the cost of recruiting.

3) Distributors receive the products on consignment rather than paying for them up front and there is no fee for becoming a distributor.

The business only grows when new distributors are added. While DS-Max as a whole has grown quite large through the years, the vast majority of distributors and managers in affiliated distribution operations in the DS-Max system have not enjoyed success. In the 20 plus years of operation the Ds-max business model has generated some tremendous success for a small group of Vice-Presidents, or as they are referred to now, National Consultants, but the question of how many have found success in Ds-max compared to the number who have attempted to achieve success can only be answered by analyzing accurate, detailed records of these organizations and their affiliates. However the nature of their operations make it unlikely that such documentation exists.

This post has been edited by Acey: Sep 12 2006, 01:50 PM



Ido May 2 2006, 02:42 PM Show posts by this member only |Rating BETA (0+, 0-) | Post #2


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I being con before. DS-Max. Their lousy plan is you start as trainee -> Leader -> team leader -> assistant manager -> manager. From trainee to become leader, you need to hit weekly target. Then, as leader you can start con others to be your downlines. Once you have 5 downlines promote to team leader. As team leader, you will be entitle to suck some commision from your downlines (5%) of the daily total sales.

Assistant manager is 10%. What really make money is when you become manager. DS-max is selling many thing but whatever they are selling, you earn RM 2-3 each item they sell. Mostly the manager earn RM 1000 ++ daily

FYI, manager really earn that much. Believe it. That why they are growing. The main issue is how you can become the manager. You need at least 13 - 15 downlines. Now that the hardest part. My ex uplines have been working for more than 5 years. He has been promoted as Manager before but de promoted when your men leave the team. So from there, he keep on struggling until today. Still same not making money.

The system seem great but no guarantee. People don't like walking around selling thing. So is hard to get people. My advise is you can treat it as temporary job while hunting others. My experiencee in the company was great. We penetrate a high security building e.g military kem, Maybank and many more. Chase up by the security. Sometimes the inside people may help you also. Is a fun job but making money.

That my experience for DS-max.



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hehhe... what an experience in life... if you would like to take is as once in a lifetime experience also can...

Chase up by the security <---- this will sharpen your skill in sales and to be alert on outcome of your action. It is hard to penetrate military camp... if you could... you might have talent in sales..

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QUOTE(Ido @ May 2 2006, 02:42 PM)
I being con before. DS-Max. Their lousy plan is you start as trainee -> Leader -> team leader -> assistant manager -> manager. From trainee to become leader, you need to hit weekly target. Then, as leader you can start con others to be your downlines. Once you have 5 downlines promote to team leader. As team leader, you will be entitle to suck some commision from your downlines (5%) of the daily total sales.

Assistant manager is 10%. What really make money is when you become manager. DS-max is selling many thing but whatever they are selling, you earn RM 2-3 each item they sell. Mostly the manager earn RM 1000 ++ daily

FYI, manager really earn that much. Believe it. That why they are growing. The main issue is how you can become the manager. You need at least 13 - 15 downlines. Now that the hardest part. My ex uplines have been working for more than 5 years. He has been promoted as Manager before but de promoted when your men leave the team. So from there, he keep on struggling until today. Still same not making money.

The system seem great but no guarantee. People don't like walking around selling thing. So is hard to get people. My advise is you can treat it as temporary job while hunting others. My experiencee in the company was great. We penetrate a high security building e.g military kem, Maybank and many more. Chase up by the security. Sometimes the inside people may help you also. Is a fun job but making money.

That my experience for DS-max.






Please do not upsell DS-Max here, this is exactly how they psycho people into these jobs. For example, FYI this and that manager really made 1k daily etc and etc, but that is just him, you have to be really good to be like that... blah blah blah,

Please contribute to the society and economy by giving value not preaching get rich schemes.
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Saumya!! Read the earlier comments about this organisation. They will amke u beggar and throw u on the street to brg from door to door.

You wont get a fixed salary all u get is comission, for how long can u survive on comission basis. I have worked with dis cobra group for 15 days and then regretted,

During Interview dis people never say dat you have collect cheques from door to door.

I want to ask jus 1 question to all these people who support cobra.

WHY DONT U'LL TELL DAT WE HAVE COLLECT CHEQUES FROM DOOR TO DOOR. AND WE WONT GET SALARY JUS COMISSION, RATHER SPEAKING OF MANAGEMENT AND OTHER ??


And we dont fear to disclose our names..

Plz reply
i just got a mail regarding the attractive offer of the company saying all that [censored] that, it is a MNC and all that crap.Since i wasn't aware about the company so i did Google abt the company and find the series of these beautiful mails by the one who has been cheated by this company.I just wanna thank all of you for your help." INDIAN YOUTH ROCKS"
SONAL u did the right thing by not goin there. They speak all about management, high salary n crap. The Fact is its a Door to Door Sales Job. Nothin else.

Dont easte ur time behind them.

ALL THE BEST
mr vinay
U worked In the company only for 15 days ..In 15 days u did door to door sales n u coming here n teaching ppl about the company tht company is bad 15 days u can't understand more than what u talking here ... Do ur work u didn't like company u couldn't survive why u confusing others ... Let them also go for 15 days n decide .. Don't b god father ...
All u guys m working with company but won't take there side guys go n ask ur queries i[censored] find then dishonest don't join .. But don't listen to these loosers ..
Thanx..
k guys me also attend 4 d cobra group[ called also ELIXIR i m in dialalma i have to join r not i was attentended 3 rounds they said we will intimaate ur selection after two days i cant decide its good company or not flease frnds send me facts abt this company
The fact about this Organisation is that its a gr8 opportunity for all o[censored]s ...

People who just work for 15 days or for 1 day, how the hell can they judge about this org whether its bad or good..

Ask people who have been here for years . They would be the right person to answer your questions ...

I have been working here for a year and everything is just gr8 ..

And Mr Vinay why dont u read all the comments carefullyyy and tell others also to read it.

Their are gud comments also posted . Cant you SEE that ...

If you cudnt do it than why the hell are you nagging others out as well...

N U SONAL these Indian Youth's are not gonna search a job for u ..

So people who log on to such sites an advice for you all

If you have been their for an intrv or if you have recvd ny mails from our org just dont prejudge our org by such people who dont even knw much about our Org .

You have ny questions clear it out in your intrv itself .
Ask people who are working their .

And we talk about Management bcause we give opportunity to people ..

And we proud what we do . And if you talking about begging, at least we beg and we support NGOS.

What the hell have u done Dude, Inspite of just nagging out people on this site ...

Whatever u do, We will still do well ...

Even if you nag out more 2, 3 people it dosent matter for us ...

No 1 can stop us from giving This Great Opportunity to people...
Shiven i completly agree with you ... i am here now past 6 months . N its gr8 yaaar ... I seriously tell U my initial days on field was amazing .. It has helped me a lot to improve my personality .. What i was before n wht im nw, i have become more confident nw ... My family is very happy wid me .

All thanks to Cobra Boss.. I luv working here ...

Hey by the way Shiven u from Mumbai office Right . Heard a lot about you ...
Im in Delhi and all set to get into Asst Owner .

Plz give me some tips hw to go further . I am all excited for my Promotion ...

N leave these sick people, they cant succeed in life, n they cant see others also growing ...

Why to waste our time by explaining them .We dont have to give any explanations to these negative [censored]ers who are nyways jobless...

This Organisation has nyways proved its existence in India for 11 years, in 12 cities and wid different new clients ...

And by the way Mr. Shiven plz reply me back .
Would luv to learn a lot from you ...

Thanks N COBRA KI JAI JO ...
Thanks N COBRA KI JAI HO ...
Hey everyone,

I'm in my first year of college, and I was looking for an internship for the summer. I went for the first and second round of Nirvana, assosciated with the Cobra group. Here is their website. http://www.cobragroup.com/main.html

I'm so confused right now. I went for the interview, I agree that lots of people coming in for the interview didn't really speak english that well, but there were a few good candidates. Also the people interviewing me seemed pretty well educated and seemed to know what they were talking about (but then again, it is Mumbai, so everyone's very smart). I got my appointment letter for a summer internship on the third day (a day after my second interview) and got promised a salary of 12, 000 for the months I was going to intern there.

I'm really not sure if this company's good or not anymore. I came across this once I was looking for their website. Can someone help me out a little. Maybe if you look at their website, or is it really a fake company? I'm really unsure at the moment.

Thanks.
OPPORTUNITY KNOCKS UR DOOR ONLY ONCE .

SO I THINK U SHOULD GO FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY AND TRY YOUR LUCK ...
hey thnx frenz... for posting such comments...
would also like to tel anothr company under the COBRA group... NIRVANA... stay out of it...
I worked with Cobra Group with follows the exact same pattern of work. Its Amazing how they brainwash you to do a beggars job. I worked for one year and it seemed like I was in a trance..the moment I snapped out of it I felt like such a fool..wasting my good education in a demeaning job as this.

On the flipside however since it was my first job ever, it made me more confident and street smart and helped shape my personality a bit. But still it was not worth it. All you do is dog work and earning peanuts.
To Shiven, Get real dude..these people are really pissed off. You cannot make money sucking the sweat and blood out of these young guys. Cobra, Appco..is all about LYING and CHEATING !!! And the master CON man is TONY FERNANDES..uska bhi bap CHRIS NIACHOS! I have also been there, done that and I have known them well. Yes they have managed to pocket millions by brainwashing young minds into doing the door-door marketing. Tell me Shiven, would this system work if they would tell in the interview itself that this is only commission based and you have to do door-door sales? the answer is NO...No educated person will go for the job. And if an uneducated person does it, he will not sell.

How can you claim being successful when your entire company COBRA/Appco and whatever names these Owners have for their companies IS MADE FROM A BIG FAT LIE! Don't you'll fell guilty living this lie each day?

To Rajat...you still have time to get out of this hole...or else you will get sucked in it like you have stepped foot in sinking sand and it will be too late...like maybe it is for Shiven.

I was there for one year and I AGREE with the 99.99 % people who have spoken against COBRA.
Oh btw, is Sai Prakash of Millenium still there?

Pooja honey wake up!
I just happened to read page 14 with all the nice things people had to say about the CHEAT company and I would like to tell you this, that you guys are living like zombies...mesmirized into doing things that have been repeated to you day-in and day-out ...outright BRAINWASHED. You'll are young so you'll are enjoying it now, but after some time, you'll realize you have no personal lives and no friends outside your work. Its a great job for someone with no education. But if you have a degree you can get a job with decent pay with prospects of a good money and career and good security and you can plan a family and home with any other job...but not with Appco/Cobra.

And someone was saying about owning a Ferari...i live in the US now and here even the rich dont own Feraris...you need to be a big time celebrity or millionaire to own one of those...I am sure he said that becuase they must have said that in the motivational speeches to dupe you.

Guys its Just Not Worth All The Hardwork!!! I learnt it the hard way! Its not too late to step away and get your life back! And just so you know I was there for more than one year with them.
I completely agree with CHEZ. These people brainwash each and every person who comes for interview. Their main target are fresh graduates who havent seen the corporate world yet. They target them and talk all about owning Ferrari and expensive things.
The MASTER conman is TONY and his chellas are Sai Prakash, Sukesh etc..
who everyday hunt for innocent fresh young blood and make them beggars.
This SO CALLED job can be done only when ur young.

GUYS PLZ DONT WASTE UR TIME BEHIND THIS .
whoever you are vinay, chez, chetana (false names )
You are born to a Enuch
If you have the balls post your real name and address
I swear on my mom I will slaughter you into tiny pices
It's my hard work and sweat which I put everyday
And you making fun of it through a cheap blog
Where anybody can post anything against anybody they can even
Write about how your mom makes extra money through prostitution along with your sisters and your father acts as a pimp would you like it
No right ! Then how you expect me to ?
I will sooner or later reach to you once I get your email or I.P address swear that vl be your last day on this planet ...
From today onwards try and save your ...
Hi vinay chez n chetna ...
Guys u have worked hard in this company for years as u claiming n ur dumb asses it took u year to realise this company is cheat aur fraud ... I think they r very smart or u big ...
All u guys think somebody worked for year n than realise about co.. Guys these some loosers never did well in the company n now they have got the medium to just say anything ...
Guys tidays market there is no free lunch .. Wake up
Company is great u need to b good ..
Thts it
Ye Ashfaque, u rght dude . These guys need to get a GPL ...

These loosseers need to be beaten up ...
Ashfaque- YOU ARE A [censored]ING LOSER!!! thats why you are so angry. Probably you are angry becuase you are in this company and you are so stupid that you CANNOT get a better job like the rest o[censored]s educated people. Ha ha haa LOL! Ok but seriously i am feeling really sorry for all you guys! If you'll are so convinced that this company is so great, why do you even bother coming to this site to see all the GAALIS the whole world is giving you and why do you even bother retaliating. Thats because you just need to keep telling yourself that you'll are not in DEEP . Which you, no wonder Ashfaque only is coming out of your mouth.

And you dumb arse, anpad, gavaar you'll track my IP id? Oh or maybe you'll are angry kyonki aaj kisi ne beekh nahi diya honga...so your day must be bad...I can totally understand then.
Would'nt you retaliate if somebody spoke how your neighbour used to bang your mom when dad left to work ?
and that's why you are born so complicated
How would your dad feel about all his hard work and how would you feel
Hurt?
That's how I feel ...
:and you dumb arse, anpad, gavar you come on a useless blog where people have even written about microsoft, Nokia, virgin, Cocacola, Hsbc, American express ... So we feel famous write more
But please one day by mistake write your real name and address ...
Mazaa aan jayenga ...
We have got your email from the administrator
So don't worry we will meet in person ...

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