[Resolved]  Cobra Group Of International — Cheater & flirt

List of known local Cobra Group subsidiaries

1. Dreamworks Acquisition
2. JAG Group
3. Keneve Group of Companies
4. Regal Group of Companies
5. Appco S/B (Father company)
6. ESP S/B
7. Pro Enterprise (SS15 Subang Jaya)
8. Rich Marketing Group (at least this one is honest enough to put the word "marketing" lol)

Their tactics & The Truth

** Salary of RM1800-RM3000 during training and more after 6-8 months project. You won't get paid any basic salary

** Usually under the title of "Management Trainee" or "Executive Development Program". Your title is SALES PERSONNEL

** These are the same lines all Cobra Group companies use:

-- "Fresh graduates who are willing to be coached from A to Z of a company operation and hardworking- please try your luck!" Coached - Reading from same piece of paper, memorize it and tell strangers about it

-- "Promotion to Managerial positions with Regional and Overseas Career Expansion". Something like Amway's incentive tours to overseas IF you con enough people

-- "The person who think that they possess all the skills required to be a successful future manager". When they expand, they chuck you there to further con people and you will have no time for your personal life AT ALL

-- "No min working experience is required (Special on-the-job training will be provided)". They train you to talk to strangers and be beggars

** On your first day of your you will be briefed on company structure. Any AMWAY members will know this is the exact promotion structure Amway uses the moment they see it. Sales projection, get 3 leaders you become Team Leader blablabla.

** On your second day, just quit the job.

** You'll get a piece of paper on dialogues and you are expected to preach to strangers. I don't think we graduated to be beggars.

The "new" advertisement:

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Interview

** First interview will be in group interview (suspicious?)

** Second interview you will follow your "evaluator" to the field, usually in front of banks and see what they do. They will tell you "This is to test how much do you want the job" and then ask you to do the same thing: Begging & Bugging

** Third interview will be on the same day of the 2nd. You will be asked to go back by yourself to the company. WTF right?


What they slipped

** One guy used the word "downline" and "upline"

** The boss comes into the office EARLIER than everyone and leave LATER than everyone, even his secretary. Somemore he dare to use the word "TIME FREEDOM" and then say he sleep at 10.30PM.

** The structure chart. Some people who never join Amway will not see it coming because the only direct sales company to use it is Amway, and Cobra Group is applying the same thing.

** No basic pay. Tell me, which PROFESSIONAL job (as they claim) doesn't pay their employees? Like that I also wanna be the boss lar.

If you have more info of this company or companies under Cobra Group / DS-Max, add it here as they seem to be running rampant all over Jobstreet, conning degree holders from Law to Engineering fresh grads. Sadly, these people think they are doing a great job, where in fact they are earning money and being brainwashed day in day out.

From Wikipedia (Credits: Polaris)

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Cobra slash DS MAX is in wikipedia, their infamous ways are well known all over the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DS-MAX

One of the most common complaints about DS-Max affiliated companies is in their recruiting and advertising practices. Often the position is advertised as an "entry level management position", and claims to operate in any number of glamorous, competitive, high profile, industries ranging from pro sports and entertainment to 4 star restaurants and world travel, when in reality the position is that of a door-to-door salesperson who peddles pizza coupons, discount baseball tickets, 5 dollar umbrellas, designer knock-off hand bags, and travel alarm clocks, none of which the applicant will actually discover until they are out "in the field" with a distributor on their "second interview".

A common interviewing formula used by the independent sales offices consists of:

1. A very short first round interview conducted in the office of the manager. Typically in this interview the manager will briefly outline the structure of the business to the potential new distributor. A typical DS-Max manager will interview anywhere from 10 to 30 people a day so this first interview is usually short on detail and any prolonged question and answer sessions are avoided if possible.

2. A full day "second interview" in the sales field where the potential distributor shadows a current distributor while they attempt to sell their products or services door-to-door. This full day interview is an attempt to show the potential distributor how a typical day in the field works. This full day interview, like the first interview is purposefully vague on details and most questions are not answered fully or more difficult questions get passed on to the manager/owner to handle during the final interview. This is known within DS-MAX circles as the "Day of Observation" or the "Day of O".

3. A "final interview" takes place in the manager's office when the potential distributor returns after a full day in the field. If the applicant has any problems or objections, the manager may attempt to overturn them. If the potential distributor needs some clarification in order to understand the "big picture" of this business opportunity the manager will attempt to explain the business beyond just selling products door-to-door. The goal of every manager is to encourage the interviewee to start full time the very next day.

The name DS-Max is often used to refer to the whole distribution system that includes DS-Max USA Inc., its affiliated suppliers and independent offices. Each affiliated sales office is an independent and incorporated business.

This legal separation between the DS-Max supplying organizations and each individual office insulates DS-Max from any legal or financial liability should something happen within an individual office.

Because all sales offices are independently owned and operated each individual distributor and manager/owner reaps the rewards of and is both financially and legally responsible for his own business. The majority of all distributors work as independent contractors and thus are not paid a salary, receive no health benefits and are responsible for paying their own taxes.

The DS-Max system runs similarly to network marketing businesses but with several key differences:

1) Sales representatives (distributors) generally work full-time (often six days, 60 hours or more a week), relying on their sales for their primary source of income, rather than a slow transition from part-time to full-time.

2) The individual owner assumes the cost and advertises for new distributors and finds a mentor for them, rather than the distributor absorbing the cost of recruiting.

3) Distributors receive the products on consignment rather than paying for them up front and there is no fee for becoming a distributor.

The business only grows when new distributors are added. While DS-Max as a whole has grown quite large through the years, the vast majority of distributors and managers in affiliated distribution operations in the DS-Max system have not enjoyed success. In the 20 plus years of operation the Ds-max business model has generated some tremendous success for a small group of Vice-Presidents, or as they are referred to now, National Consultants, but the question of how many have found success in Ds-max compared to the number who have attempted to achieve success can only be answered by analyzing accurate, detailed records of these organizations and their affiliates. However the nature of their operations make it unlikely that such documentation exists.

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Ido May 2 2006, 02:42 PM Show posts by this member only |Rating BETA (0+, 0-) | Post #2


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I being con before. DS-Max. Their lousy plan is you start as trainee -> Leader -> team leader -> assistant manager -> manager. From trainee to become leader, you need to hit weekly target. Then, as leader you can start con others to be your downlines. Once you have 5 downlines promote to team leader. As team leader, you will be entitle to suck some commision from your downlines (5%) of the daily total sales.

Assistant manager is 10%. What really make money is when you become manager. DS-max is selling many thing but whatever they are selling, you earn RM 2-3 each item they sell. Mostly the manager earn RM 1000 ++ daily

FYI, manager really earn that much. Believe it. That why they are growing. The main issue is how you can become the manager. You need at least 13 - 15 downlines. Now that the hardest part. My ex uplines have been working for more than 5 years. He has been promoted as Manager before but de promoted when your men leave the team. So from there, he keep on struggling until today. Still same not making money.

The system seem great but no guarantee. People don't like walking around selling thing. So is hard to get people. My advise is you can treat it as temporary job while hunting others. My experiencee in the company was great. We penetrate a high security building e.g military kem, Maybank and many more. Chase up by the security. Sometimes the inside people may help you also. Is a fun job but making money.

That my experience for DS-max.



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hehhe... what an experience in life... if you would like to take is as once in a lifetime experience also can...

Chase up by the security <---- this will sharpen your skill in sales and to be alert on outcome of your action. It is hard to penetrate military camp... if you could... you might have talent in sales..

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QUOTE(Ido @ May 2 2006, 02:42 PM)
I being con before. DS-Max. Their lousy plan is you start as trainee -> Leader -> team leader -> assistant manager -> manager. From trainee to become leader, you need to hit weekly target. Then, as leader you can start con others to be your downlines. Once you have 5 downlines promote to team leader. As team leader, you will be entitle to suck some commision from your downlines (5%) of the daily total sales.

Assistant manager is 10%. What really make money is when you become manager. DS-max is selling many thing but whatever they are selling, you earn RM 2-3 each item they sell. Mostly the manager earn RM 1000 ++ daily

FYI, manager really earn that much. Believe it. That why they are growing. The main issue is how you can become the manager. You need at least 13 - 15 downlines. Now that the hardest part. My ex uplines have been working for more than 5 years. He has been promoted as Manager before but de promoted when your men leave the team. So from there, he keep on struggling until today. Still same not making money.

The system seem great but no guarantee. People don't like walking around selling thing. So is hard to get people. My advise is you can treat it as temporary job while hunting others. My experiencee in the company was great. We penetrate a high security building e.g military kem, Maybank and many more. Chase up by the security. Sometimes the inside people may help you also. Is a fun job but making money.

That my experience for DS-max.






Please do not upsell DS-Max here, this is exactly how they psycho people into these jobs. For example, FYI this and that manager really made 1k daily etc and etc, but that is just him, you have to be really good to be like that... blah blah blah,

Please contribute to the society and economy by giving value not preaching get rich schemes.
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yes its very true I I answered an advt and as i was pursuing my masters from Cardif[censored]niversity i took up a part time profile with the Company little did i know i know that my fate would change today this Desi boy runs his own Company in cardiff drives an BMW 5 series and i have got my younger brother too in the company its a dream come true and the policies of the Company are very transparent, staying in a foriegn country i am able to pass on this oppurtunity to my fellow indians my parents are really really proud of me
"Come be part of this expansion "
i have been here for the last 3 months here and i dont see any reason for not being here .i have already reached the 3rd level and making good money as well.i dont know why some people are crying about salary as they told me about the business opportunity here and in any business u make profit not salary.so i am making it on field right now and building my team as well to run a businee .let people say what the want but i am here to stay.
Hi guys
I agree with the guys above co. Is too transparent about the fact n figures..I am having degree worked with mnc joined this organisation 2 months now I have to work hard which I was doing else where too buthere m working for myself m earning good amount saw young ppl running offices where u get chance like tht .. We crib companies don't give chance to freshers n when some co is giving chance y not to take it .. B smart let's take it with both hands ..ppl scared of working hard pls don't apply cox uill cry
Thanx
hi friends... i have been working with this company for quite some time... it was really very awesome...

it makes u proud that you work for yourself, set your own standards and compete against your ownself...it gives a great opprtunity for freshers...to run your own offices


so freshers...i[censored] r really looking for a challenging career in management, apply today...
hi all... i joined this company as a fresher. i wasn't very sure of sticking back for a management position cos i am a BTECH..but i got an opputunity to extensively sharpen my skills and abilities.i made a great deal of money ..and today i see myself handling a team of people with great confidence, heading towards running my own business where i can provide many people like me wid d same oppurtunity...
hi friends...

i have been associated with this company for more than 3 years now... its a good place to work... there is lot of motivation, growth and most of all...BIG MONEY...

i suggest its a very good oppurtunity for the freshers... and specially for people who are looking for well-round development in all domains of management...
hi all...

it is not fair to judge a company's credibility basing on the experiences of a few candidates...


thousands of people have been working with this company and for years...


any company cannot just others...

it is the problem with the people if they are not willing to do hard work...specially the freshers who just passout from any university without any reputation...


there is a lot of hardwork involved in establishing an organisation that is so huge today...

so plz donot get carreid away by jack-asses who mis-lead you
I have been working wid this org nw for 1 n half year. Its a great org to work wid coz they give u an opportunity to be your own boss, which other company wud never give u ... if you work wid other org u just get a tag of senior manager, hr manager, finance manager VP n bla, bla bla . But u forget that there’s still above you who’s holding your growth …
U have to beg for your increament even after 1 0r 2 years n inspite of working day n night … Best part is MBA’S are treated like …

GUYS OPEN UR EYES N GRAB THIS OPPORTUNITY IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE ...
COBRA GROUP U ROCK ...
hi guys
i am working with this co. for 2 years .its really a very good co. being a fresher i have learnt so many new things ..it help us to develop a positive attitude n also helps in al round development .. freshers i[censored] really want to check were u stand in terms o[censored]r communication n management skills JOIN COBRA GROUP...
hiiiiiiiiiiii allllllllllllllll,
recently i had been there 4 an intrvw & nw m workng here as an ex trainer for the past 4 months, it seems people have had a bad experience here but believe me i am really having a gr8 time.may be people who couldn't get there it would have been becoz of their own deeeeeeeesssssssssss n working habbits, but then, me quite happy as i m heading towards having my own venture vvvvvvvv very soon here, atleast 1000 times better than my last company where i was screwd for loads of work with less incrementsssssss & no growth in 1 year.
enjoyyyyyyyy
Hi guys
I went for an interview in the co.week before in east patel nagar ace group got interviewed went for field round but I think they were honest enough to b tell me everything before selecting me it's field marketing n different levels which I don't think any co. Does n I left my previous co n joining them from next week .. Don't know what will happen but like there honestly n hardwork m ready for tht .. Guys i[censored] getting calls go for interview clear ur doubts I did same .. N I think u do same .. All things written about co. Over here is true .. Co. Is good I think some ppl who failed here which can happen anywhere they defaming the co. So guys go for it n today reading comments of ppl here m happy
A great company where you feel at home, your seniors treat you well and care for you, my previous company I was treated like a rug where my seniors used to ill- treat, boss me around for unnecessary reasons this place has given me my identity and i am really doing well i would suggest this company to people who want their freedom and want to work hard to enjoy it cheers !!! I am flying high ...
Just wanted to share my experience with the company, I answered an advt in the paper little knowing that i would bump into one of the best job i ever would have though i was from a finance background the company trained me in every field of leadership where today i am standing in a position just in 5 months being a team leader managing a team of 12 people who are good and some even better than me, my financial situations are improved where i could afford to pay all my previous dues ...
My family is happy and in two months from now my ultimate dream of getting into management is going to get fulfilled where i have decided to present myself with a brand new Honda Jazz car.
the company is proof of the saying "The harder you work the luckier you get "...
i have been workin wid one the offices of cobra group since last ten months.
i was told very clearly that it is charity fundraising job.
i will get paid on performance.
i told my parents everything about the job. there reply was i[censored] feel for it do it.
on average my income per month is 28k to 30k on performance.
blah blah blah!!!
point is not this...
point is why most of the bloggers who write negative about the same company donot mention their names or keep it anonymous.wnted tell u something about actual story of these people.
MOST OF THEM ARE THE GUYS WHO WERE SACKED BECAUSE OF FRAUDS LIKE TAKING CASH FROM CUSTOMERS OR BECAUSE OF BEING DISHONEST.
LIKE SIGNING ON BEHALF OF CUSTOMERS THEMSELVES OR EVEN SUBMITTING FAKE DEALS FOR WINNING A COMPETITIONS.
" The best Business oppurtunity one can get "
I was so lost after having a dual masters degree i got a job with an company with a pity salary i was ok bcos i wanted to learn but then i saw my manager and the people around me they had no ambitions in their lives they were like dead beats
then i stumbled upon this oppurtunity from a friends reference the day i entered the company for my interview i saw young energetic people excited to the core even the person who interviewed was 24 years old seating on the head chair i was just zapped i took up the job immediately i been here foe 4 months and let tell you it feels so great to just come to work in this beautiful environment there is so much to learn and above all nice and huble people who are ready to help ... i can go on and on but you have to be a part of it to feel it !!!
I AGREE WITH ALL THE RECENT POSTS..I'VE BEEN HERE FOR SOMETIME AND I LOVE THIS OPPORTUNITY..
Hi all especially freshers,

I was working in Cobra group way back in 2002 for a period of 10 months. My experience is as below.

The way the company operates in India is the way it works worldwide. The five steps and eight steps in the company teaches you how to make a sale. On the field not every person you meet will buy the product you sell. It is your personality and the way you approach gets a sale for you and foremost the law of averages works there the best. The more number of people you meet the more number of sales you make.

I acquired the art of selling in CObra Group which I am proud to say today. I gained the confidence to meet anyone that I come across as I use to meet 60 to 70 people a day as most of you quoted included small time guys to big shots in south and north india. And for the information to all who talk bad about Cobra Group I would like to let you know that I am currently working for HCL as an Assistant Manager incharge of Opeartions.I am from Thoraipakkam branch. My full name is Aiyappan V A S and my email id is aiyappan.[protected]@gmail.com. Cobra group played a vital role in my career. Those 10 months at cobra exposed me to the best of the things that management schools teach. Now I am one of the youngest guy to be an Assistant Manager in HCL BPO. I am not an MBA from any reputed university.

It is again the perception of each person. For example every single person over here would have come across a LIC Agent in your life atleast once. What do you think they do? They sell policies and get commisions on the premiums you make. So do you think the nations biggest insurance company is a fraud company beacuse they dont pay basic salary to their agents. Guys please think before you write here. Also when someone donate for the charity oraganisatoin thro cobra it is true that a part goes to cobra which is considered to be in Charity organisation's balance sheet as Advertising expenses. How many of you go and donate to CRy on a yearly basis. How many of you respond to the flyers by yourself and drop a cheque. Most of the flyers go to bin. Instead these organsiation go to COBRA group to create awareness and uses the advertising material only if a contribution is made which in turn saves money. So guys please think. In everything you do there is something to learn. Dont jump to conclusions. Most of the BE's and MBA's get lined up to COBRA beacause they dont get job else where and try to show their smartness in these websites. If you are an Enginer or an MBA from a reputed university it is so surprising that you didnt get a job else where.

Not everyone is born to run a business. I am one of them who didnt have the balls to sustain in the business and run my company. Still my aspiration is to run a business of my own and if I succeed I definitely would say that it is beacause of the experience I gained in COBRA group.

And lastly do you think corporates do not have liars and cheaters. My dear freshers corporartes have got Liars, moelsters and too. so are you not going to work anywhere then??? So the destiny is in your hands.

I gave my best shot those 10 months and couldn't come through so left the organisation. So try if you can if not look for something else and keep going.

In my opinion COBRA is not for everyone it is only for the ones who want to run their own business.

I would like to thank few of the guys in COBRA whose leadership styles still I follow and admire. Kishore Tarachandani. Dinesh Mishra and lastly but not the least Tony Fernandez.

Best WIshes
I joined the cobra group plc in the month of march 2009, im already promoted as an owner and run my own successful organisation I am also going to be a promoting owner soon. I could have never imagined to do so well so early in my career. I am really thankful to Sai Prakash and Sukesh Khanna to provide me this opportunity I have had the time of my life. Join the organization and trust me i[censored] put ur head down and work.. u can buy ur own ferrari @ the age of 36-37. All the best guys and cheers
you all ppl r right evn i got the offr frm cobra grp named as pioneer and really they juzz fool innocent ppl...these ppl askd fr charities by lying them n in rertn they gt d huge commision..these ppl giv salary on weekly basis bt my dear frnds these are nt salaries these are d commission of sales u had done...my exp was really bad cos it was like m cheating to my self by lying ppl n begging them for d name of charities n these nt evn reach for the charity..so ppl i would juzz say plz dunna join these types of company cos itz lik u r playing wid u own careers..
Thank you all, guys, I thnk myself soo lucky 2 see ths blog, I just wanna prepare my self to go for an interview vd Nirvana and Orbit. Thanks again to save my future, god vl bless u...thanks

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